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Re: Bluescale Corellian Corvette WIP


Well for nostalgia's sake, I thought I would review this thread and look at the images, but it appears that I used hosting from the company I worked at when making it and those images are gone. That is sad, but on the other hand, I was developing this in the old scaling system, so eventually, I plan to revisit the ship and do it proper justice. I made a lot of progress on this one too. emoticon



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That really does suck... I remember that project... maybe one of older forum members has the last image or something to post just for reference...

well I certainly would love to see the Corvette get the SWDA treatment.
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I'm sure I have some of it, at least. Shoot me an email and I'll give you what I have. pcsslaymaker@yahoo.com
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cool! I really appreciate that Slay. I sent you an email through the intertubes too. emoticon

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I am seriously considering restarting on the CR90. Slay was kind enough to send me what he had on it. it's all in 'bluescale' which is 6 pixels per foot or something and is not metric or very accurate. I'm thinking of doing it in M100 as I think that would do this ship more justice considering its level of detail, but it would be a massive undertaking.

I am just wondering what people think. It might be easier to restart than to retrofit the original.

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okay, so I have been reviewing my old work and deciding that I will take this on as my next project.

here's the thing. I started developing this ship back when we were affiliated with that 'other' site, so the scale is off as they don't use the metric system. Also, I can't find any of the work that we did to confirm the size of the CR-90.

I am confident that the proportions of my drawing are as close as possible. So let's nerd this up a bit and do some math to see how the proportions of the ship work out.

Official size of the CR-90 on Wookiepedia is;
Length: 150m
height: 32.6m
Width: 48.6m

Based on the photogrammetry that I did back in the day, these proportions are a bit off. I was extrapolating directly from ILM studio model images. some of which were very high rez at close range with almost no lens distortion.

So the original conversion result was that at 6 pixels = 12 inches, my drawing is
Length: 3055 pixels
Height: 677 pixels
Width: 961 pixels

Which means in feet the CR90 is;
pixels / 6
Length: 509.1667 ft (155.194m)
Height: 112.8334 ft (34.392m)
Width: 160.1667 ft (48.819m)

Now that I look at the numbers, I am starting to think that maybe instead of 150m they meant to say 500 ft. which is 152.4m

If we keep the drawing as is and don't change the current drawing, but change the scale from bluescale to M20, we get;
Length: 3055 pixels = 152.75m (501.148 ft)
Height: 677 pixels = 33.85m (111.056 ft)
Width: 961 pixels = 48.05m (157.644 ft)

The question remains, paraphrased from what Void so aptly put; "what margin of error are we comfortable with?"

For me. I am satisfied with this math and the result. I want to move forward and not have to redraw this whole thing from scratch.

What do you guys think?

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Im cool with that analysis. Now, go... draw and be merry!
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hey Guys,

CR90 Corridor detail M100

This is the latest update to the interior corridor set of the T4. through this I have seemed to discover that the CR90 may be quite a bit larger than 150m.

The reasoning for this is that the door frame entryway is 1.78m tall and 1.25m wide. This alone and without context should be enough to convince people that the 1.8 metre height is 'about right' and therefore the rest of the ship fits the scale due to this. which by the way was the basis of the Marincic drawings and exacerbated by the Robert Brown website.

Here's the thing;
The corridor itself, I think should be the basis for the scale - the reason for this is that anything as large as the opening will fit through it, but also things that are larger will fit, like panelling and components. Also, in the set, there is only 1 actual door and they blow it up. it might be a standard type door like in an apartment building, but apartment buildings have front doors and loading areas with double doors that are larger. So, if you look at the Marincic image, specifically at the entrance on the side, that big wide door there is 2.0 metres tall. It is in proportion with the rest of the ship, but it is 1.8 metres tall. This door alone should be AT LEAST 2.74m tall, which is the height of the interior corridor from floor to ceiling - this does not include things under the floor plating or in the ceiling, so I would probably allow for there to be an additional metre of room here.

This means that the CR90 may very well be well over 200m long due to making that side door fit proportionally with the rest of the ship, knowing how things are loaded and assembled. All those doors and quipment and stuiff are installed after the hull is constructed, and if construction and architecture (as well as physics) has taught me anything, it's that stuff is made of mostly space.

My conclusion is that the CR90 is bigger by a significant margin. This means the escape pods are bigger, there's more room inside for stuff. I will tinker with this and see what I come up with mathemagically.

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Okay, so I've done a bit of math.
First, we need to make a couple of necessary assumptions;

1) We assume that the proportions are correct

With that out of the way, here are the facts.
Mike Marincic's drawing is great, but it is not source material. That said, he was able to greeble the side entry tube with an image from a CR-90 that had those details. I am unable to find that image at this time, and would dearly appreciate someone obtaining it. Moving on;

Marincic made that drawing to scale and in it, that doorway is exactly 20 pixels high, or 2metres tall.

The production blueprints from the set show the full corridor box cross section to be 2.74m tall.

if we convert this to a scale we get 1:1.37
if we just use the rounded established size of the CR90 from wookieepedia or whatever of 150m and scale up;

The CR90 should actually be closer to somewhere like 205.5m long.

I will need to do some more research to see how close to accurate I can get regarding this scale and what assumptions we need to maintain to prove this theory (fewer is better).

Thanks for reading. I am happy to entertain alternate views, as long as you can back up any claims with facts.

thanks.

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Re: Bluescale Corellian Corvette WIP


Would changing the size of the CR90 retroactively change the size of the other ships we've seen it with, e.g. the Imperial I Star Destroyer or the Ghost?
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